China Crisis - King in a Catholic Style

Frank: It already was, in 2013. See above in this thread for discussion on this.

I remember that --- and the nice ovation for them. Not certain of this, but I don't believe they were "active" in those years (although they have in recent years become something of a touring juggernaut) and I thought: even now, these boys are really loved around these parts. And their following today seems as strong as ever. I believe there was a whole year when they toured "album nights" for Flaunt...

[Edit: BTW, Jim McKay is slated to see them later this month -- Hoops, I hope you come by with a review...]

uh oh;----psue, I think that means you read the catalog introductionI 😣. I was extremely unhappy with that piece and only allowed its inclusion at the last minute.... And was rather hoping most people would just pass it by

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Note: I moved the balance of my lengthy and maudlin reply to the 3rd page of "the Walter Becker Auction" page, along with several responses relating to the tangent. That now clears up this CC page to stay a bit more on topic.

@Moderator: D-Mod Hi D, It seems that some comment content disappeared during transfer.. I hope that it was just a mistake.. Love, Lary

@Lary Dixon

Hmmmmm, I'll check to see if I lost something,

Pro Tip; check all of those

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@Moderator: D-ModJust listening to this WB version and loving it. Now I love music but I am not a musician-what exactly are "the pushes" you speak of please?

@Matthew Grant Holy Cow! Matthew, I'm so sorry I missed this and now, almost a year later, can only hope you're still around! Anyway, since a "push" is almost as much felt as heard, I'll rely on my first Google hit for the word in music context -- and whadda ya know, the author Justin makes that same point!

"The concept of the rhythm push is more easily felt than it is explained. "

and he goes on to say

"The rhythm push occurs when you change the chord on the “and” of beat 4 instead of on beat 1. Basically, you’re changing the chord on the up strum immediately before the bar line. Actually, it's a half a beat earlier than you would expect - sometimes beat 3 is anticipated, but that is less common."

Pushes can be hard or soft or, as mentioned, barely whispered. Or they can be chained. Think the inter-chorus modulation in M McDonald's "If That's What It Takes". (not listening to it now but I seem to recall 3 in a row within 1 measure. Actually that track is full of pushes...starting a half-second in). Lotsa examples in lotsa "driving" songs. Some nifty "internal" pushes in Kid C. etc. (I always enjoyed picking out the venue dancers who signaled -- or spazzed out on -- the pushes :-D). As I recall, the hardest pushes in the repertoire of a bar band I played rhythm in eons ago was "Take It Easy" by the E-E-er-Eagles (think of that acoustic strumming intro) which also required a double-strum before some Ones and some push beats. Pete Townsend on a steel-string Martin ha ha. And oddly enough, one of my early online queries on the drummers of SD asked " What SD song has the most pushes in it?" LOL. I didn't know the answer myself ...but it caught *someone's* attention :-) (who also didn't know the answer).

[EDIT: Wow -- I listened to "If That's What It Takes" after posting this, and I correct myself. That track isn't full of pushes...it's all most ALL pushes! Throughout. But then I also realized that's what makes the sections of the song that are in straight 4 sound so funky and solid, and dropped straight into the pocket. And say is that a great band or what? A look at the credits will reveal lots of familiar names :-) ]

Anyway, sorry again for the, uh, lag time. What's the opposite of a push? Here's Justin's entry. I only read the first 2 paragraphs but it looked basically right to me:

www.justinguitar.com

This rhythm push involves changing chords a bit earlier than you’d normally expect to keep the song moving forward.

Thank you so much for such a comprehensive answer! The Justin Guitar vid helped too. The Michael McD clip is so busy it was hard to pin down. All these years listening and now I finally have the push revealed:-)

those self-produced demos are great...

will that be in Evanston? Have fun.

I also don't yet have Gary Daly's solo CD, which I've heard is pretty great.

I guess it may be time for me to get back to listing to music again, eh what? 😕

[Edit: sure enough, an extensive search seems to indicate it's already sold it's run...and it was only just released! Man that burns me..you WANNA give the artist your money, and end up paying some pimply kid in his Omaha basement.....}

@Moderator: D-Mod You probably already know this, but there was also an expanded reissue of the Flaunt the Imperfection album around the same time. It didn’t yield any unreleased gems of WB’s like on Diary of a Hollow Horse, but still worth having.

We note that the next album was recorded in Maui. 😎 Somebody learned their lesson..

@Tony Favia I think him knowing that the band appreciated his work was the most important thing

@Moderator: D-Mod It's not just your imagination, not by a long shot. I have also always felt that way about WB's productions. That's one of the main reasons why I sought them out as avidly as I did any other SD-related music. It's funny but I never felt that way about Gary Katz's productions, even though people have often commented on the tell-tale "Katz sheen" that was supposedly applied to the records. I always thought the Steely Dan records were, for all intents and purposes, DF/WB co-productions, with Katz's role mainly serving as a "third ear" and the guy who called all the session musicians that Donald and Walter wanted.

By the way, you mentioned "classical" records that he produced. Which ones are you referring to there? I think I know all the jazz ones but not sure I know any that I consider classical.

I was at the Liverpool gig ( first time seeing my musical heroes...it didn’t disappoint) , Eddie and Garry were in the seats opposite me ...they got a shout out from Walter , I wasn’t a fan of CC , however I went to their gig this past October in Sheffield, my home city...they were fantastic, I got to speak to Eddy Lundon as a I wanted to ask him about the bands experience working with Walter ...as I expected , they loved that time , and spoke fondly of of Walter

It was a great night m we are booked to see them again in March next year .